(computer game sounds) (upbeat music) – [Seth Rosenthal] Here’s
a game you don’t wanna win. You’re a basketball player. You get one point every
time you lose possession of the ball before your
team can attempt a shot. Maybe it’s because you traveled, maybe you stood somewhere
you’re not supposed to, or let the ball go out of bounds. Maybe you just lost the ball straight into an opponent’s hands. Do this a handful of times in one game and no one’s gonna notice. Do it like a dozen or more times, and you might just set a high score. These are turnovers. They’ve always existed,
but the NBA didn’t start keeping track of them
individually until the 1970s, after the ABA did so. These days, NBA teams
average 14 or 15 turnovers per 48-minute game. But every once in awhile
a player, one person, will commit nearly that
many TO’s by themselves. How the hell does that happen? To answer, we should begin by looking at John Drew’s high score, which went unmatched for decades. Drew is perhaps most famous
for being the first player banned from the NBA under
David Stern’s severe substance abuse policy. But even as addiction
began to derail his career in the late 70s, Drew starred
for the Atlanta Hawks. The forward led Atlanta in scoring as they improved from bottom
dwellers to playoff contenders under coach Hubie Brown. As Atlanta’s centerpiece, Drew had an extremely high usage rate. In the 1978 season, a
league-leading 31 percent of Hawks’ possessions
with Drew on the floor ended with him making a play, mostly because he took a lot of shots and drew a lot of fouls. On March first of ’78 in New Jersey, Drew burned up even more
possessions than that. In an absolutely dismal performance the forward missed 19 of his 28 shots, including a deep buzzer beater
that would’ve won the game. And even worse, Drew committed
an NBA record 14 turnovers. The last of which was a
timeout he tried to call when the Hawks didn’t have any. Drew’s nightmare game establishes a theme. To turn the ball over a lot, you first have to possess the ball a lot. Your team has to be depending on you, which isn’t always a pleasant situation. In the prime of his career,
Chris Mullin was elite. An All-Star and All-NBA first teamer, the leading scorer for
Don Nelson’s beloved Run TMC Golden State Warriors. But before all that, in 1987-88, he was just a third year
player in a very tough spot. Mullin was struggling
with alcohol addiction, and after coach George Karl suspended him, spent much of December in rehab. By the time Mullin felt
healthy enough to return, the Warriors had thrown their season away. A spate of trading dating back to November left Golden State without
any of the prior year’s top three scorers. And the tanking only continued. In mid-March Karl resigned as coach. In the weeks following,
Terry Teagle and Rod Higgins suffered season-ending injuries. Which meant that on March 31st in Utah, the Warriors had no
choice but to depend on 24-year-old Chris Mullin
playing out of position. Mullin finished plays
remarkably well that night, scoring an efficient 31 points. But he was the focus of the
league-best Jazz defense and their legendary basketball
stealer, John Stockton. So on top of all those positive stats, Mullin coughed the ball up 13 times. But this is the hazard
of being a first option. For decades after John
Drew had 14 turnovers, Mullin’s 13 was the only
performance to come close. But here’s every NBA player ever to record exactly 12 turnovers in a game. Almost every single person on this list was an All-Star at some
point in his career. The only one who wasn’t
is Damon Stoudamire, who in January of 1997,
had to play point guard for the woefully undermanned Raptors, against the mighty Chicago Bulls dynasty. The young Stoudamire had 12
turnovers that night, yes, but also 11 assists, which brings us to another
high score risk factor. Passing. Every pass is a dice roll. The ball could miss its intended target, sail out of bounds, or get
picked off by an opponent. So it’s no surprise that
when someone finally matched Drew’s high score of 14 turnovers, it was Jason Kidd, one of the most productive passers in hoops history. It’s important here to
understand that Kidd didn’t rack up assists by throwing tons of crisp, fundamental passes. He was not John Stockton. Kidd was ambitious and
indulgent with his passing, he rolled those dice. He threw look-aways,
and went behind his back just for funsies. My personal favorite
Kidd assist is this one, side-spinning the ball
around several Knicks to lead Lucious Harris on
the break off four bounces. Anyway thanks to his risk taking, Kidd had a whopping six career games with double-digit turnovers. And clearly we need to
talk about this one. Kidd’s performance in a loss to the Knicks on November 17th, 2000 is perhaps the quintessential
high score in this realm. Kidd said he didn’t take care of the ball. Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy
called Kidd’s performance one great 14-turnover game. They’re both right. Kidd shot well, set up his
teammates with 10 assists, and completed the
triple-double by grabbing a bunch of rebounds. He just mixed in a
whole bunch of mistakes, and made it a quadruple-double. For better and for worse, Jason Kidd played a ton of basketball that night. Playing a ton of basketball summarizes why Russell Westbrook and James Harden contend for high scores in this game. They both score a lot, and pass a lot. Westbrook’s got some Kidd-style quadruple-doubles in the bag, while Harden once surrendered
possession 12 times in a playoff game. Some articles actually credit him with 13, I think because a play
like this one can be hard to label as a steal or a blocked shot. Either way, the Warriors
won the decisive game five of the Western Conference finals, thanks in large part
to Harden playing like his skills had been taken by MonStars. – [Announcer] As Harden
dribbles it off his foot. – [Seth] Here’s an example of playing a ton of basketball with bad results. Harden was really pressing
to create for others just as much as himself, but Golden State devoured
all of his good intentions. None of this is to say that only passers run the risk of high-turnover games. Look at a list of every player to record 10 or more TO’s without a single assist, and you’ll see mostly big guys. The types who don’t roll
the dice with passes, but who, on their worst
nights tend to travel, get stripped, and commit offensive fouls. Even low-risk basketball can go wrong. But if you’re looking for thee high scorer in the turnover game, I will make the case for
Kristi Toliver of the WNBA, where games are just 40 minutes. Even in that shorter format, Toliver managed to match Kidd and Drew on their worst nights. Playing for the L.A.
Sparks on May 29th, 2012, Toliver logged 31
minutes, scored 16 points, grabbed some rebounds, threw some assists, and turned the ball over 14 times. But down two points in the final seconds of her dismal outing, Toliver dribbled the length of the floor, hit the Tulsa Shock with a step-back, and buried a buzzer beating,
game-winning three pointer. A pitiful high score with
a heroic, happy ending. After the game, Toliver said
she let her teammates down by “being careless and
making bonehead plays.” But Toliver’s teammates
recognized that her turnovers were an unfortunate hazard of high usage, and they still wanted
the ball in her hands in crunch time of a close game. And that is my big takeaway
from this investigation. You set a high score in
turnovers not because you suck, but because your team depends on you. They need you to do a lot. If you’re in a dark period of your life, unprepared, prone to risk taking, or just off your game for a night, doing a lot might also mean failing a lot. It happens.

Author Since: Mar 11, 2019

  1. Rewinder request: 2010 Stanley Cup game 6; perfect rewinder candidate, has the drama+history, would make a sick episode

  2. It's good that you said it in 6:25 that offensive fouls also count as turnovers. I've played basketball for 10 years, and just last year I've found that out.

  3. My lil cousin committed 26 turnovers in a quarter once. I kept telling him that being 8 months old wasn’t an excuse.

  4. if you're including wnba, i'm sure theres some ymca or college intramural league players with high turnover #'s as well

  5. Stoudamire was actually really sick in NBA live back in the day. Surprise he wasnt a all star. Didnt he play for Portland with Wallace and Pippen?

  6. Surprisingly wholesome ending. Sometimes these episodes can be ruthless but this had a nice closing sentiment.

  7. God I hate the WNBA's uniforms, there's so many ads on them that you have to be told which team is which, there's just a tiny, easy-to-miss team logo on their jerseys

  8. How about Most hits in a 9 inning game. Make sure you talk about Kirby Puckett's two day performance in Milwaukee.

  9. Literally every sb nation comments section:

    1% Interesting comments that are fun to read
    99% you should do the creation of sb nation deserves a deep rewind

  10. No way do you have to play like a superstar Seth……You have to BE a superstar. Because they are the only ones that can get away with it without be called a scrub. Hey Seth, love your vids…..Keep it up mate🍿!

  11. Jason Kidd "Probably trying to take your job" lol!!! I think Frank Vogel should look over his shoulder. But my Lakers will be fine.

  12. OK, then Jalen Pickett is a lot better than I thought he was. Because he handles the ball every time down the court and somehow never turns it over.

  13. This one had a real beautiful moral. Love how you find the poetry in the margins of basketball. Keep it up Seth!

  14. I understand that you are going for retro video game feel, but please don't pixel players faces. I would like to be able to see them especially when you say I playing has a cop hairstyle and then we can't even see it.

  15. Bruhhhhhhh- you look like you need some sleep. Don’t let your work get in the way of your sleep. As an insomniac I can say sleep is literally the most important thing for your health and I hope you’re not overworking yourself:/ 8-9 hours. Try for it every night. <3 love you and your work!

  16. The good thing about this series is you can watch it in 360p and you won’t really notice a difference

  17. Do a history of how the league destroyed OKC. Everyone in OKC thinks that the league basically thought the thunder were the team of the future and that they had to be held back in order for everyone else to get their dues. I have no idea if its true, but the best professional basketball minds I know (who all live in OKC) are 100% sold on the idea that the league officiated 3-5 series to make sure the small-market Thunder lost, leading to the eventual departure of Harden and destruction of the franchise of the future. If it's pitched as a "universal small market difficulties" story / video, it'll get more than respectable views.

  18. I am pretty sure Harden and Westbrook pass a lot because they wanted triple double not because they care about the team.

  19. REWIND idea, and I think this would make a great video.

    SB nation mostly focuses on North American sports, however the 2015 Australian Rugby League (NRL) grand final would make an excellent deep rewind.

    Especially the closing 10 minutes of the game, it's the only final in history to ever go into extra time and has an absolute clutch moment.

  20. While everyone else doesn’t even have the balls to make up some random amount of turnovers that they supposedly had in a game, I actually once had 4 turnovers in a game, but I would’ve had a double double with turnovers, if I played over 15 minutes a game

  21. Now don't get mad at me ladies but the WNBA does not count. The level of play in that league is below that of even men's college ball. So comparing them to the NBA is not useful imo.

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