Rob Markman: What's up, geniuses. Welcome back to For The Record. I am your host Rob Markman. Now, today if you're paying attention to your
calendar, is the sixth anniversary of Kanye's sixth album Yeezus, which came out today in
2013. So, we wanted to talk about it today. I just want to get in some Yeezus, some Kanye
talk because what else are we going to talk about today? First up, we have the Executive Editor of
Genius Editorial, my man, we sit right next to each other now man, Insanul Ahmed, man. What's up, man? Welcome to For The Record. Insanul Ahmed: What's going on, man? Rob Markman: This is your second time on the
show? Insanul Ahmed: Third time on the show. Rob Markman: Third time. We got to get you on the show more. Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, I have fun. Rob Markman: Next up, I always say this man,
this is one of my favorite people in media, man. I always love your takes. I love your interviews. I love your perspective. You can see him now on Revolt’s State Of
The Culture, which we're in between seasons but new season coming soon on Revolt. Brandon Jinx Jenkins, man. What's up, man? Brandon Jenkins: Yo, I'm glad I got … First
off, I've said it to you before, this is my favorite set in hip hop media culture. It's one that actually… like someone tried. I love it. Just saying. Rob Markman: We did try. Look, I don't know, man, that State Of The
Culture set, lot of lights. Brandon Jenkins: A lot of lights. Rob Markman: A lot of lights. You'll all be shining. Clean set. Brandon Jenkins: A lot of lights, a lot of
drinks. Rob Markman: Finally we have my man, senior
artist relations manager, works with me in getting the artists in here, doing the interviews. You don't see him a lot of the times. He's behind the camera. But trust me, he is strong, he is potent,
his impact is felt. Mikey Fresh, man. Welcome to For The Record. Mikey Fresh: What's up, guys? Happy to be here. Rob Markman: No doubt. All right, so look man, we’re gonna get right into it, man. Back 2013, Kanye dropped Yeezus. I remember getting, seeing the tweets about,
was it the New Slaves video, maybe? Just projecting and I remember going to 14th
Street, MTV was there at the time. Everybody was at the movie awards. I'm like, "Yo, we need to get a camera crew
to cover this." They was like, "We have nobody available." I went to 14th Street on my own and recorded
it on my iPhone. Brandon Jenkins: That's like pre-Twitter video,
for real. Like it wasn't running well then, right? Like there was not IG stories or anything. Rob Markman: No, yeah. There was none of that, and we captured that. But you know, I just remember the moment. I also remember Milk Studios in the loading
dock. Mikey Fresh: Yeah. Rob Markman: Listening to the Ye album. Beyonce was in there. Jay was in there. Crazy times, but we're six years removed,
and I want to talk about the album, Yeezus. I want to start with Jinx. And we asked Jinx to come, because I know
Jinx feels very strongly about this album. Give me your take. Give me your Yeezus take, right now. Brandon Jenkins: So, I've had moments where
I said this is his best album. And I'm not like … Mikey Fresh: Wow. I mean, that's a bold statement. Brandon Jenkins: I'm bugging, right? I be wildin.’ But like, I really loved it. I loved the time it arrived. I loved how it started. I loved the economic use of the song duration. Stripped back. I love the marketing roll-out, when he was
just dropping the website, and it was him and Rick Rubin kicking it. There was a series of events and sort of like
one of the last of that era, of being able to be a part of media and roll things out. Even when you guys are talking about going
to the events and seeing these things. It was such an event, that I was so ready
for the sound, and I had no barometer or palate for it. Then when I first listened to it I was like,
"Oh." That first opening with the static, in like,
what is it On Sight? Rob Markman: On Sight. Brandon Jenkins: The way that just unfolds,
it's beautiful. And then he just switches back to the sample. And he's letting you know, like, "Yo, I'm
very self-aware. I know y'all want My Beautiful, Dark, Twisted
Fantasy. I'm giving you this. Buckle up." Brandon Jenkins: And I buckled up. I love it. Rob Markman: Well, well, you know that album
caught a lot of people off guard, because it was really a stark shift, a sonic shift
in everything that Kanye had given us to that point. I want to add some context to it. At the time, you were at Complex. Brandon Jenkins: No. Rob Markman: You weren't at Complex at the
time? Brandon Jenkins: It's funny, I didn't want
to fuck up the intro, but … Rob Markman: Oh, my bad. Brandon Jenkins: But you guys were all talking
and I was like, "Damn." I remember seeing folk in media. I was at Mass Appeal at the time. Rob Markman: Okay. Brandon Jenkins: And I remember seeing folk
in media and people were at these events, and all, you know, favorite people in Twitter. And I'm like, "Damn". Here it is six years later. and I'm up here with y'all. Rob Markman: Right. Brandon Jenkins: But I remember these are
everybody that I followed. And these are people that were telling the
stories on Twitter, and then the next day you'd see the blog roll-outs and everything. And I can tell you where everybody was at,
like, I just remember. And so, long answer, yeah, I was at Mass Appeal. Rob Markman: Okay, no. I know, Ins, I know you were at Complex at
the time. Insanul Ahmed: Yes. Yes, I was. Rob Markman: And I say that. And you were at Complex for a big chunk of your career, or a major part of your career up until this point. Rob Markman: And I remember you know, when
we talk about this sonic shift that people weren't ready for. You know, I remember, at least in the media
landscape, Complex really kind of led the charge of saying this album is a classic. This is a crown jewel in his collection. There was a lot of that going on I think,
while everybody else was trying to figure out how they really felt about Yeezus. Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, that's 100 percent. And you know, maybe it's arrogant to say this,
but it was true. I do genuinely believe the moment … because
you know, Yeezus drops mid-June, right? And then, at the end of that month we were
doing the 50 best albums of the year so far, maybe it was 25 best albums of the year so
far. And I think the moment, I remember being in
the room and trying to convince Noah Callahan-Bever, who was the Editor-in-Chief at that time and
everyone else in the room, that Yeezus … Rob Markman: Who's at Def Jam now. Insanul Ahmed: Who's at Def Jam now. That Yeezus was not, shouldn't be a number
one album. And the number one album should have been
Chance The Rapper's Acid Rap. Insanul Ahmed: And I made a strong case, and
my main point for that was Kanye's kind of looking backwards, Chance seemed like he was
going to be the future of rap. Didn't turn out exactly like that, but it
felt like that in the moment. And I remember, man, shout out to Foster Kamer. You remember Foster and … Rob Markman: I do. The legend. Insanul Ahmed: He, you know, that's an album
… Yeezus is an album for a guy like him, because he's a contrarian, and it's a contrarian
kind of album. Insanul Ahmed: And he just kind of convinced
the room, and eventually convinced Owen and was like, "No, we're going to put that at
number one". And before we, put, rolled out that list and
started calling it the number one album, people were very hesitant. Especially because, and it's true, you see
in the stats, the audience didn't respond well to Yeezus. Yeezus didn't sell particularly well. The singles didn't chart particularly well. A lot of Kanye's period from there kind of,
you know, he loses a lot of his commercial momentum. Rob Markman: Some of that by design because
… Insanul Ahmed: By design, some of it by design. Rob Markman: I don't think he built traditional
singles for Yeezus. Insanul Ahmed: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. But there was a big hesitation to say that
you liked that album, and then I think after we said it was the number one album, it was
cool to like that album. So much so, because you were at MTV. Someone at MTV wrote a piece where right after
we did that, and was like, "Maybe Yeezus isn't so bad after all." And sort of by, and then by the end of the
year, it was number one in everyone's list. Rob Markman: Might have been James Montgomery. Shout out to James. I still don't like that album. But I digress. Insanul Ahmed: I didn't either. I don't like it either. Mikey Fresh: I mean, I love it. I think it's an incredible album. Rob Markman: Go ahead. Mikey Fresh: I'm with you man. Rob Markman: Mikey, talk to me about … because
we talk about this sonic shift, right? Kanye goes to visit Rick Rubin, and they talked
about almost like the reduction of the album, the minimalist, the minimalism of the sonic,
like, really stripping it down to its core. And again, that stuck out like a sore thumb,
especially at that time, nothing sounded like that. What did you think? Like production-wise, where did you land with
this album? Mikey Fresh: I mean, I think, in the beginning,
just like everybody else, I was really shocked. Obviously, he had just come off of My Beautiful,
Dark, Twisted Fantasy. So, we didn't expect him to come down with
such a stripped, you know, down album where sonically it almost, it got a lot of punk
rock comparisons, Nine Inch Nail comparisons. Mikey Fresh: So, for him to, to just completely
flip the script after he dropped probably his well, his most well produced album of
his entire career. I think it was just kind of like a, "Fuck
you" to the industry. And I think he almost kinda said that. Like, at the loading dock, at that listening,
he says, "My strategy was to have no strategy. And you know my, I can't, I went into this
giving no fucks". Rob Markman: No album cover. Mikey Fresh: No album cover, exactly. Rob Markman: Yeah, yeah. And then also too, shout out to … I remember
Born Sinner dropped the same day. Rob Markman: I remember going to the store,
because I was still buying CDs at that time because they were … It was possible to buy
CDs at that time. Born Sinner, Mac Miller dropped, was it, Watching
Movies With The Sound Off that day. And … Brandon Jenkins: That's a good album cover. Rob Markman: Statik Selektah dropped, I believe
it was Bird's Eye View. I remember going to cop all four CDs the day
it came out. Rob Markman: Even though I didn't love … Yeezus
wasn't my favorite. Born Sinner was my favorite album, and Watching
Movies was my favorite album. Brandon Jenkins: Kept the receipt for Yeezus? Mikey Fresh: But also, the fact that you just
said you went to buy the CD's should … I think that's a testament to the time period,
and where … how far we've come since then, in that … Rob Markman: Cause I'm a hip hop fan. Kanye still is one of the greatest artists
that we have ever seen in our genre, and in music as well. Like, you have to you know even …And I make
fun of that album, but even Kanye's bad albums are really good if you give it to somebody
else, and put it in somebody else's discography, it might be their best. Brandon Jenkins: That's a fact. Rob Markman: I just want to see where we stand. So, you, you really, you really fuck with
Yeezus? Mikey Fresh: Yeah, no, I love Yeezus. I'm not gon… I cannot say it's his best album, but I honestly
love it and I think it’s great for his catalogue Rob Markman: You think Yeezus is the greatest
album ever recorded in the history of music, right? Brandon Jenkins: The truth is, I should really
stop saying that. Like, here's the thing, it's like, when I
listen to Yeezus, it's still held the test of time. For someone like me that has multiple interests,
it, it's centered all those interests for multiple music tastes. Even like, just being a fan of advertising,
packaging, roll out, art. It's the, it's the Off White album, if we're
keeping it a buck, from the actual approach to music to the art. But I'd say my biggest qualm with Yeezus,
is that it's a sign of things to come. Brandon Jenkins: From I have no plan, I'm
A God, when you start realizing like, oh that's ,like the musical version of like what he's
actually really going to have to deal with in his personal life. Brandon Jenkins: It's, It's..It profits from,
you know surprise. Rob Markman: That's Killy upstairs. We’re shooting Verified upstairs. Brandon Jenkins: Shout out to Killy. Shout out to the rafters. But like, you know, it's a sign of things
to come, and so when you listen to the album now, knowing everything we know, it's sort
of like, "Oh, this is that moment at the top of the roller coaster." And it's click, click, click, click, click
right before he goes through the next you know his next journey. Rob Markman: You know, you said something
that was a sign of things to come, and I think you're right as kind of like, my roll out
is to have no roll out. My plan is to have no plan. One of … and a lot of artists kind of followed
in that suit. Another thing, we were almost promised like,
this was the future of music. This was how music was supposed to sound. And we thought he was going to set off this
new trend, because Kanye was known for doing that. Brandon Jenkins: Yeah. Rob Markman: I don't think anybody followed
in his footsteps. People … Insanul Ahmed: Nope. Mikey Fresh: I mean … but now years later,
we can see that, you know, the unmastered kind of rough, rugged sound is … Insanul Ahmed: No, that record is not unmastered. That is not unmastered. That's not the type of record it is. It is reduced, but it is not unmastered. Mikey Fresh: I didn't say it was unmastered,
unmastered type of sound, where obviously, compared to his other.. Insanul Ahmed: Unmastered, no. That's not the sound, that's not the sound
at all. Brandon Jenkins: You said something earlier
about his, like even his lesser albums, his worst album is still, in someone else's hand
they wouldn't be able to do the right thing. I think it sets off some ideas that people
ended up using, and again, a lot of people didn't do that well. Rob Markman: Like, what … is there anything
you can point to? Brandon Jenkins: Like … Insanul Ahmed: Don't say Travis Scott. Brandon Jenkins: No, no, no, no, Rob Markman: I was gonna wait for him to say
Travis Scott, so I could obliterate it! He was supposed to say Travis Scott Brandon Jenkins: But like, it's less of an
artist, more of an idea. Like you said, "No roll outs". Like hey, a lot of y’all can't have no roll
outs. Rob Markman: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Insanul Ahmed: The no roll out thing is really
Beyonce is the one who proved that, that was the move. Brandon Jenkins: Yeah. Insanul Ahmed: Because the album did have
a roll out. You went to the fuckin thing to go watch it
on the big screen when they played New Slaves. That was a roll out. Brandon Jenkins: What's the comment? Insanul Ahmed: That was a roll out. The no roll out was Beyonce … Mikey Fresh: It was. It was a non-traditional roll out. Yeah, yeah. Insanul Ahmed: No, no, that wasn't nontraditional. That was a roll out. That was a roll out. Brandon Jenkins: Or it's like, but it's like,
you know, what's the comment? Death Grips did it first? But like … Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, Death Grips did do it
first. Brandon Jenkins: But like, it starts preaching
these ideas of even like, the verses are I think, they're kind of classic Kanye, in a
sense of like … Brandon Jenkins: No, look, being ironic, like
flamboyant. Mikey Fresh: Putting Chief Keef with Bon Iver
like … 10 songs only, some of those songs are three minutes. Come on, those trends happening now. Brandon Jenkins: Heavy humor, you know. But unfortunately, I think he thought he could
do that again and again. And also, it's not just Kanye, it's the things
around him, changes the response to these things. And so, you can't always pull the same trick
and expect to get the same ROI. And so, I think that he put a lot of ideas
out there and what it … he tried to sell the idea that he didn't try, but that's not
true. He tried very hard. He got to the finish line, Rubin jumped in
and said, "Scale it back". And that was your new effort. Brandon Jenkins: I think people see the finished
product, and you can't match the process. And that's probably the issue. Rob Markman: Let's talk about the music a
little bit, ‘cause there's some great musical moments. I think New Slaves, that second verse … First
of all, that second verse of New Slaves kinda reminded me, it is the evolution of Kanye. You know, what is it? "They sell Jordans, black man sell crack and
the white man get paid off all of that". Rob Markman: Like, he really kinda says things
about America, and consumerism, and the prison industrial complex that, that gets people
… I remember they used to bleep that out on the radio, like that part and I was just
like why we bleepin this out. He's telling the truth. And in New Slaves, I mean that second verse,
meanwhile the DEA teamed up with the CCA. They tryna lock niggas up. They tryna make new slaves. See that's that privately owned prison. Like He gets into the whole thing. That's a hard verse. I ain't gonna lie. Insanul Ahmed: Oh, absolutely. I'm not a fan of Yeezus, but I think New Slaves
is a like a top 25 Kanye song of all time. Insanul Ahmed: And so is Black Skinheads. Mikey Fresh: Wow. Really? Insanul Ahmed: Absolutely. Those are the two like totally essential Kanye
songs. And they actually articulate an idea. Which is the only parts of the album where
actually articulate the idea. This is somewhere where the marketing comes
in, where people talk about this album and it's like, oh yeah, it's like this rebellious
thing against the industry. And it's like, no, not really. Black Skinheads and New Slave has those ideas. Every other track on the album is basically,
mostly like relationships Rob Markman: Relationship stuff Insanul Ahmed: And a lot of vulgar, vulgar
sex talk. Insanul Ahmed: That's what most of the album
really is Brandon Jenkins: Vulgar can be rebellious
and certain musicality itself can be rebellious, right? Insanul Ahmed: Absolutely but not in the actual
content of it. And that was always the… Mikey Fresh: Maybe not the lyrics, but sonically
it was… Insanul Ahmed: Oh sure, sonically absolutely. Rob Markman: Remember when Kanye tweeted that,
that second verse of Insanul Ahmed: Was the hardest verse of all
time Rob Markman: No the greatest rap verse of
all time. Insanul Ahmed: And it really was true. It’s a great verse. It's one of Kayne's best verses. Mikey Fresh: But also, like I'm a god. That was like when we first got wind of Kanye
refer to himself as you know Yeezus, Jesus, as a god, as an immortal person. Brandon Jenkins I remember that being like
hardest thing for me like whoa. Cause that was like the wildest thing at that
time. You know… Rob Markman: For him to call himself a god? Insanul Ahmed: Yeah. People were upset about that. Mikey Fresh: That was a huge…. Brandon Jenkins: Our world is so much different
now. It's funny, like when, once it happens, you
kinda develop a palette for….even if it has like a sour taste. But like, I remember at that point being like,
what? I mean, it's, now it says featuring God. Like on the album, it says Insanul Ahmed: It always said that. It always Brandon Jenkins: I remember also looking at
that album and thinking about how it didn't list the features. But there was also so many bootlegs and everything… Rob Markman: Shout to Igor. Also, in the features, got the number one
album. Yeah I wasn't so offended by him calling himself
a god, I mean but I came up in the five percent era. Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, exactly. That's what I was gonna say. Rob Markman: Wu-Tang…Now, there was definitely
like some dope, lines. What were some of the other Insanul Ahmed: There were some terrible lines,
too. There was…. Rob Markman: We're gonna get….let's….I
think to start with the positive. Look at you just rushing. C'mon man. Brandon Jenkins: It was terrible. Rob Markman: Yeah, yeah , yeah. Brandon Jenkins: I like, kinda like look at
this.. real quick, so I can see Rob Markman: Let me see, Brandon Jenkins: Blood on the Leaves? Mikey Fresh: I was just gonna say Brandon Jenkins: You didn't like Blood on
the Leaves? Rob Markman: Blood on the Leaves was fire. Insanul Ahmed: Not really. Rob Markman: Blood on the Leaves was fire. Insanul Ahmed: To me, Blood on the Leaves,
is the beginning, well this goes back to what your were kinda hinting, we were talking about
a little bit before… of it, you know, a sign of things to come. And to me, Blood on the Leaves, felt like
sort of an unfinished idea. And that's something that occurs to me as
we move forward with Kanye, especially we saw something like Pablo. Especially on Ye, where he seems to not totally
finish the idea that he's doing Insanul Ahmed: Even there's a quote, I was
looking at the song page for Blood on the Leaves, and it's like Hudson Mohawke, you
know and they're talking about like the Nina Simone sample and they were like he wanted
to do something with it for a while so we just had to do it and it would have made more
sense if it was a political song, but it wasn't. Which actually made more sense, and it was
like talking Rob Markman: But I like the juxtaposition
of Nina Simone with C-Murder. Insanul Ahmed: Absolutely. Insanul Ahmed: Look, the juxtaposition of
their… Brandon Jenkins: Crazy Rob Markman: Blood on the Leaves is fine Insanul Ahmed: Is cool and he's done that
before. And that's something also like a hallmark
of his career, right? Like putting Kweli with Jay Z and putting
Freeway with Mos Def. Like, this is kinda like his thing, right? Juxtapositioning those ideas. But to me, just. I think, on the sonic level, to me that record
felt unfinished. In the way that a lot of his stuff that he
puts out now, it's like, he, he does this to where he was like, he said it on the Breakfast
Club interview, which I think that Breakfast Club interview is really the skeleton key
to this understanding what's happening with Kanye, during this period. But, he talks about like "Yeah, On Sight could
have been better if I had more time. But, I only had four months." And you know he compares it to All of the
Lights. Where he was like, " I spent two years perfecting
that record." Insanul Ahmed: "It started one way, I changed
it, and then I changed it again. On Sight, I just ran out of time, and I put
it out like this." Rob Markman: Right. Insanul Ahmed: There's a part of it where
he's like, "Blood on the Leaves, I could fix it, I'm gonna go back and do that. But you know, I got a wife and kids now, too." And like he never does it and then he Mikey Fresh: I mean I think he actually did
it in 2016, if I'm not mistaken he went back and touched up those songs. Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, he touched, but it didn't
really make a difference, right? No one noticed, no one cared at that point. And does the same thing when you put out Pablo. "Oh it's unfinished, I'm gonna get back to
it." Yeah, right, you never got back to it. Rob Markman: I was confused. They updated it a couple of times. Insanul Ahmed: They updated it a couple of
times, not for the better Rob Markman: I lost track. Insanul Ahmed: Everyone lost track. And he lost interest in it too, right? And this is the other thing, like when you,
this is what that record like really reflects. He's creatively frustrated. He's frustrated in his personal life, and
in his business life too. Brandon Jenkins: You know what I thought Insanul Ahmed: But that frustration comes
across on his creative process. Brandon Jenkins: When I heard some of the
content of the album, like, even like, just like, it's very cheeky, it's very, it's bawdy,
you know in the way he talks about sex. It's like Insanul Ahmed: It's unfortunately, very authentically
Kanye. Brandon Jenkins: Yeah, it is. Insanul Ahmed: Which, unlike his earlier… Mikey Fresh: Sometimes he fails. The Sweet and Sour Sauce one. I was just like… That was crazy. It felt like…almost as bad as Drake's Dim
Sum line. Insanul Ahmed: There's a direct line Rob Markman: Eatin Asian pussy all I need
was sweet and sour sauce. Insanul Ahmed: There was a direct line from
that Mikey Fresh: I'm not offended but like yo,
try a little harder. Brandon Jenkins: That's not even good. Insanul Ahmed: For him to go from that and
then go straight into, you know, a few years later, you know, if she bleached her asshole,
I'm gonna get bleach on my t-shirt. That’s the same idea. Rob Markman: That’s kind of fire, though Mikey Fresh: That one actually. That one hits. Brandon Jenkins: What also I'm thinking about
this album, and the reason I call it the off white album, besides like it's visual nods,
is that… Rob Markman: Off white as in Virgil's? Brandon Jenkins: Yeah, and it's about a creative
process. Where it's about very quick decision making Rob Markman: Right Brandon Jenkins: And saying this one next
one, that one. This one or this one? That one. Check this, check this, check this and for
some people, to me it's like it could be lazy in some people's minds, but the difference
between it being lazy and it being still like some level of art is that; art is about decision
making. Insanul Ahmed: Absolutely Brandon Jenkins: And there are decisions that
are made on that album. Even if the line is very tasteless, or even
if like to put this work out when I think about, I love that one clip of him talking
to Rick Rubin. And he's like, you know, like," I just talked
to Jesus, he said what up, Yeezus? I said shit, I'm chillin tryin to stack these
millions. He said I thought you said billions, he's
like nah millions is more relatable." And I was like I can't wait for this album
to drop. Rob Markman: Big money Jinx. Brandon Jenkins: There's decision making but
you can see it's about doing it quick. Insanul Ahmed: But if we think it's a decision,
putting anything out is a decision Mikey Fresh: But look who, look who was there
for that album. Look who was, look who was there in the circle. You mentioned that was his off white album. Mikey Fresh: Virgil was there during that
album. Ivan Jasper, like guys like Heron Preston. They're from the skate community. They're from the the more streetwear thing… So imagine their impact on the whole sound. Rob Markman: That's the thing about the Kanye
album, like I could tell who he was around, with each album. Brandon Jenkins: But you can feel like it
in all those albums. It's always a collection and a melting pot
of wherever he's at in this moment. Rob Markman: Can I say something fucked up? Insanul Ahmed: Go ahead. Brandon Jenkins: Please. Rob Markman: This album was too European for
me. Insanul Ahmed: It does have a European feel,
yeah, it's true. Cause you know what… Mikey Fresh: Daft Punk is on a lot of it… Rob Markman: I'm a guy from Brooklyn and I
never been European in the sense of like, European clubs, electro Insanul Ahmed: He did a lot of it in Paris. Brandon Jenkins: How do you feel about Watch
the Throne, then? Rob Markman: Also, kinda European. Insanul Ahmed: They recorded at the Mercer
Hotel in New York in Soho Mikey Fresh: Okay, but then there's Bound
2. Like Bound 2 is like classic. Rob Markman: Yeah, but Bound 2 was classic
Kanye. With some classic lines. Brandon Jenkins: I like Bound 2 the least. Rob Markman: How you gonna be mad on vacation. That, those are like…If I see one good girl
is worth a thousand bitches, is like the classic. Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, like I said authentically
‘Ye, but there's the one good girl's a thousand bitches leads right into “you’re such
a fuckin’ ho, I love it.: That's kinda the same idea, right? There is this straight line Rob Markman: Nah…There's nothing on this
album that bad. Mikey Fresh: And also, I think there's a reason
why that song came last. Insanul Ahmed: But what about this, about
this… Rob Markman: Spunk on sink… on the mink? Yeah.. But Bound 2, was like an exhale, right? Because I think the album Insanul Ahmed: Which he didn't want to do. He was kinda of, not into it. Rob Markman: Was so disruptive and I think
for fans, maybe like myself, who, yes I missed the old Kanye. When you got to Bound 2 you was like, oh shit,
a soul sample, this is amazing. Thank you. Insanul Ahmed: There is something to that
that I will say that, like I said, even though I'm not always the biggest fan of Yeezus,
I do respect it in that, he is still firmly in control. And you see that again, even on the intro. Brandon Jenkins: That's what I mean about
the decision-making. Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, the decision. There still is firm control. Especially sonically when he does the, You
Know How Much I Don't Give a Fuck? Here, here's the soul sample I'm gonna play
you for ten seconds, be like fuck you I'm not doing that. Brandon Jenkins: And, and literally Insanul Ahmed: And go to Bound, make you go
through that. So, there is some stuff going on. He’s still in control. Brandon Jenkins: There's something about it
that I love about it that it is self aware and then what, what I say about the roller
coaster's is that it is self aware and it's acknowledgement of the audience, without being
like, what do you think. Because then you get to the next album Insanul Ahmed: That's, that's not true Brandon Jenkins: Well let me, finish it. The next album, I feel like he's very much
like, it's, he's, not in conversation with the audience but like, they're almost more
active participants. Even how he rolls the album out, right? In the core of MSG. Insanul Ahmed: Oh yeah. Brandon Jenkins: And it's like, I was like
you know what, I don't want that. I want, I still want my art to kinda be closed
circuit. I want it to come one way through the television. I don't need you to live tweet and me to be
able to respond, and then you put that in your album. I don't want to hear that shit. Insanul Ahmed: I agree, but here's the thing. What your sayin, that it's like this call
and response thing. Again, go to the Breakfast Club interview. He literally says, "Yeezus is like, I just
finished making this in the studio and I played it for you in the car. Tell me what you think." Insanul Ahmed: That's the way he described. He said, "Yeezus is a listening session. That’s the way he described the album. Brandon Jenkins: But I feel it's a listening
session with him and still whoever at this point in time are his close comrades. Brandon Jenkins: Whereas I feel like once
you get past that, it's a open format thing, that's like. Hey look, I don't make Grammy Award winning
music, don't fuckin' talk to me. You know what I mean. I don't make art, don't talk to me. Insanul Ahmed: But this is my whole thing,
like, I said when Yeezus came out, and the way I felt was like, I felt that the roller
coaster was over the edge and no one else seemed to agree with me. And then as the years have played out, like
no, this same kind of cycle's repeating. It's just now, clearly, he's spazzing out
more. And it kinda of like, the wheels kinda came
off. Mikey Fresh: I disagree with both of you. I think the album was, I think Yeezus was
the actual crash. I think as he was coming down the roller coaster,
and you're getting that thrill, and your're getting that feeling, that is My Beautiful,
Dark, Twisted fantasy and Yeezus is the actual crash, where he's kinda of like, disrupting
everything and it's destruction. He's kinda starting again. Brandon Jenkins: If we had to keep goin with
this metaphor, I feel [inaudible 00:25:48]walking into the amusement park for the first time
and being like, whoa, all these rides are really well put together. Insanul Ahmed: How could it be the first ride? It's his fifth album! Brandon Jenkins: Look, let's just start here,
right. What I mean is like getting to the amusement
park and being like, man, dope. And then you get, later on, your like this
is American's Scream Machine. I rode it, my head hurts. Rob Markman: Oh my head definitely hurts. Brandon Jenkins: But I feel like Yeezus is
still the excitement. And for, if you look back Mikey Fresh: That's part of the roller coaster
is the excitement. Brandon Jenkins: And if you look back at past
albums, there's definitely sharper lyrics. There's definitely more thought out concepts. There's definitely more lush production. I don't need lush to me to define it to be
good. Insanul Ahmed: I agree. Brandon Jenkins: Cause I also have other influences. Like, I'm into rock, I'm into all these other
things. You know, electro, all that shit. But like, Insanul Ahmed: European Brandon Jenkins: Yeah. I got a little European. Insanul Ahmed: Very European, Jinx! Brandon Jenkins: I got a little European on
my plate. But like, what I do like about Yeezus, again,
like you said, it might not be thoughtful, but there's still thought. Insanul Ahmed: It's thought, yeah. It’s though out I agree. Rob Markman: I wanna get into, since we're
talking about it in the context of his other albums. Let's kinda arrange and see where it falls
in the other. Brandon Jenkins: That's always really hard. Rob Markman: Yeah, it's always hard. Insanul Ahmed: Sounds like my old job. Rob Markman: Computer, please. Insanul Ahmed: Oh yeah, we need a computer
ranking thing for this. We have a board. Do we have a board? Or are we gonna do it over here? Rob Markman: Yeah, I'll use it. We'll talk this out. Brandon Jenkins: I like this. Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, I like this. Rob Markman: Well, we'll do this. Insanul Ahmed: Can we just put Beautiful Dark
Twisted Fantasy at one? Rob Markman: Let's go in order, all right. The College Drop Out. So, the different categories here, are; Fire,
Very Good, Good, Not Bad, Trash. Rob Markman: And more than one album can occupy,
you know you can have multiple albums in Fire, or you can have multiple albums in Trash Brandon Jenkins: This is a really good model. Insanul Ahmed: Have you not seen the meme? Rob Markman: Let's try it out? Brandon Jenkins: This is for everybody or
you just, like an internal Genius thing. Insanul Ahmed: Everybody has this. You haven't seen this meme? Rob Markman: No, after this, nobody can use
it. Insanul Ahmed: I’ll send it to you. You gotta make one. Rob Markman: College Dropout. Insanul Ahmed: Okay, so my feelings on this
album have changed a lot over time because I did a making up for that album. And I lost a lot of love for it doing that. For one I will say, look that album has a
lot of nostalgia to it. Because for a lot of us, that was like the
era, like I was in high school. It was a big thing for all of us. One thing is that I really, really, realized,
is how phony that album is. Like the idea of a conscious, Kanye. That's not really who he is. Yeezus is really who Kanye is. The conscious.. Brandon Jenkins: I think he could change. Mikey Fresh: No man. Insanul Ahmed: No, I don't think he changed
because this goes back to No I.D. Rob Markman: I see what your trying to do. I'm gonna let you finish. Insanul Ahmed: This is a great quote from
No I.D., where he's like Kanye came up to him after the crash, and was like, "I figured
it out. I know what I'm gonna do with my career. I'm gonna be like the conscious rapper with
dope beats.' And No I.D.'s like, "Hmm, that's sounds like
a great idea, but wait, your not conscious. How is that gonna work." And he's like, "Don't worry. I got this." And obviously he did have it. And also the rapping on it is very clumsy. He's not. Rob Markman: “They say you can rap about
anything except for Jesus!” Insanul Ahmed: He's not a great rapper at
this point. And then also, the album has to many skits
and it's kinda a little too long. So, it's a very good album. Mikey Fresh: I mean is he a good rapper now? I mean a great rapper now? Insanul Ahmed: He became a great rapper. Mikey Fresh: Would you say great or good? Insanul Ahmed: He became a great rapper when
Graduation, Watch the Throne and Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is the best rapping of
his career. Rob Markman: Alright so where does this album
land? Insanul Ahmed: Good, very good? Mikey Fresh: I'd say very good. Brandon Jenkins: I think it's in very good. Rob Markman: So I'm the only one that thinks
College Dropout is Fire? Mikey Fresh: I mean okay, the only reason,
I say it's not Fire is because of the other albums on this list. Rob Markman: Yeah, but we can have multiple
albums. Insanul Ahmed: I'll say it's very good and
I don't really listen to it that much any more. Brandon Jenkins: I think it's very good. Insanul Ahmed: Very good. Brandon Jenkins: Very good and that's a new,
I've arrived there newly. Rob Markman: It's fire dog. Brandon Jenkins: It's Fire in the world, but
were talking, this is in context of his albums. This is in context of his collection Rob Markman: We might move this. Insanul Ahmed: We might move this. We might move this. I'm open to moving it. Rob Markman: Just for the sake of ….late
registration. Insanul Ahmed: Very good. Brandon Jenkins: Very good. Insanul Ahmed: Fire. Rob Markman: Who am I speakin to? Mikey Fresh: Uh.. Very good. Mikey Fresh: Put it in the very good category. Brandon Jenkins: Let's put it in very good. We're going to end up with all of them in
the same. Mikey Fresh: I know. Rob Markman: Very good? Rob Markman: Late Registration is Fire too. Rob Markman: I think the first three albums
are Fire. Brandon Jenkins: Real quick, real quick. Do you like Late Registration more than Graduation? Insanul Ahmed: It has aged… Rob Markman: I think Late Registration is
a better produced. It's a tighter, version. Like College , wait, College Drop Out. Brandon Jenkins: Late Registration versus
Graduation Rob Markman: Oh, I think Graduation is the
refined version of Kanye. To me, Graduation is the best parts of College
Dropout and the best parts of Late Registration. And he figured it out and put it on one album. I think Graduation's my favorite Kanye album. Brandon Jenkins: I think I always go back
to Late Registration over Graduation. And I've never been able to articulate why. I just …the one I go to. Rob Markman: Except for Drunk and Hot Girls,
like Brandon Jenkins: And I've had my days where
I still can make a case for Drunk and Hot Girls Rob Markman: Not on this show. Maybe that's what you guys do on State of
the Culture, but not here. Mikey Fresh: I think we gotta think about
this a little closer, cause it just feels weird. Insanul Ahmed: We'll go over the ranking,
let’s go to the next album…Graduation Mikey Fresh: Each category can have multiple
albums. Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, we'll come back around. Mikey Fresh: All right. Mikey Fresh: So let’s get to Graduation…where
did Graduation. Insanul Ahmed: The hightest ranking, whatever
you can put. Mikey Fresh: No, were putting that in, my
opinion, very good. Insanul Ahmed: Very good? Rob Markman: I'm saying Fire. Insanul Ahmed: Fire is a five in this, right? Rob Markman: Yeah. Insanul Ahmed: I'll go Fire, yeah. Graduation's Fire. Rob Markman: Jinx? Insanul Ahmed: It has one bad song. Which at least Jinx can make a case for. Brandon Jenkins: Very good? Insanul Ahmed: So that's a four. Brandon Jenkins: So very good, Mikey Fresh: Four mics! Insanul Ahmed: I think we need to drop, can
we drop? Rob Markman: I'm the host of this and I'm
about to make some executive decisions. When it's all said and done, I just want to
get a place for everything. All right, 808s and Hearbreak Brandon Jenkins: Good. Rob Markman: Good? Brandon Jenkins: I really want to put it higher. But… it’s good/ Insanul Ahmed: What is the level below good
in this? Rob Markman: Not bad. Hey, not bad. Mikey Fresh: Very good. Insanul Ahmed: Well, we got to split the difference
and go to good then. Mikey Fresh: I'm sayin some of these got to
move down, now. Move up and down. Rob Markman: I think 808 is Very Good. But based off of ya'll's rankin, if Graduation,
if the first three are Very Good, 808 is one step below that. Insanul Ahmed: Yes, for sure. But see, Graduation to me is Fire. It's like the best of all those at that point. Rob Markman: Right. Mikey Fresh: No, I think College Dropout got
to go up to Fire man. I'm sorry. I'm lookin at it now. Rob Markman: Dark Twisted Fantasy? Insanul Ahmed: Fire, absolutely. Mikey Fresh: Fire. Insanul Ahmed: Perfect album. Mikey Fresh: Let's not… Insanul Ahmed: Absolutely perfect album. Mikey Fresh: Fire. Brandon Jenkins: That Raekwon verse… Insanul Ahmed: I was gonna say that is the
one thing that I, Rob Markman: You know what My Beautiful Dark
Twisted Fantasy is to me, and I think it is a great album. I was at XXL at the time that XXL gave it
the XXL ranking. It kinda felt like it was before Cruel Summer. It kinda felt like Kanye's Roc La Familia
and this is a much better album than Roc La Familia. Insanul Ahmed: It's not, no it's…. Rob Markman: You could tell who was in the
room. Insanul Ahmed: You know what it is? Rob Markman: And with every Kanye album you
can tell who’s in the room. Insanul Ahmed: You know what it is, it's Kanye's
“Chronic.” That's what it is. Mikey Fresh: I was gonna say…That's Kanye,
like Quincy Jones and Puffy in one. Insanul Ahmed: Yes, yes. Mikey Fresh: He got Quincy and Puffy in one
and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Insanul Ahmed: It's hyper maximalist. Perfect. Brandon Jenkins: Part of it is definitely
his rap verses are completely sharp. The production is insane and it's varied. There's variation on this album. He has so Mikey Fresh: Quincy Jones and Puff Daddy. Brandon Jenkins: Also were so surprised that
he still hanging with people like with him and Rick Ross, as I was like, I never knew
what it would, like be like if… Insanul Ahmed: And he got one of Rick Ross Brandon Jenkins: I knew they had a rapport
and everything but like I also think he's coaching people up. Insanul Ahmed: Perfect coaching, yep. Brandon Jenkins: If you can coach up Rob Markman: He produced this album. But there’s also writing on this album. Insanul Ahmed: I was going to say he got… Rob Markman: So it's hard for me to be like
yo, he kept up with Rick Ross when he's having help with the writing. Brandon Jenkins: Not even Insanul Ahmed: He always had help. Every album he has help with the writing. Brandon Jenkins: Not even keeping up, but
having a level where someone passes you a verse and being like, I want better. And getting them to better. Insanul Ahmed: And getting the best Rick Ross
feature verse, the best Niki Minaj feature verse. Rob Markman: He coached Nicki. Brandon Jenkins: And knowing good when you
hear it is super important. Rob Markman: He coached Nicki to one of the
greatest rap verses. Brandon Jenkins: That's one of the best rap
verses of all times. Rob Markman: All the time. All right, where do we put Yeezus? Mikey Fresh: Fire Insanul Ahmed: Uh, not good. Mikey Fresh: Fire. Fire. Insanul Ahmed: What is the two? Rob Markman: It's trash and not bad. Insanul Ahmed: Above trash. Not bad. Not bad. Brandon Jenkins: Yeezus is Fire for me. Insanul Ahmed: I gotta go down on Not Bad
here. Rob Markman: I think it's Not Bad. Brandon Jenkins: Whoa. Insanul Ahmed: Can we split on Good then? Rob Markman: Yeah. Brandon Jenkins: Is there an eject button,
cause I would… Rob Markman: Listen, I haven't pulled any
executive rank, any Veto power yet, Brandon Jenkins: Let's just see what we get. Rob Markman: I'm just seeing where we go because
y'all wildin’ on my show. The Life of Pablo? Insanul Ahmed: Oh, Bad. Brandon Jenkins: Not good. Yeah somewhere between good and not bad for
me. And only because of the comparison. Insanul Ahmed: Not Bad. Mikey Fresh: Put it in Not Bad. Brandon Jenkins: Yeah, it's not bad. Rob Markman: And Ye? Insanul Ahmed: Terrible. Brandon Jenkins: Trash. Mikey Fresh: Trash. Insanul Ahmed: We all said it. Rob Markman: Can Kanye truly have a trash
album? Insanul Ahmed: Yes he can. Cause he made that album. Brandon Jenkins: The beats are forgettable. And put it this way. Not even if there likable, they don't shift
anything. There not game changing. The verses are some of his worst ever. Insanul Ahmed: And it's unfinished. Brandon Jenkins: Unfinished. We’re talking about what I like about artwork
and rollout. Insanul Ahmed: Decision making. Yes. Brandon Jenkins: Nothing. And then also, context circulating around
you does matter. Really tough time for the boy. So, trash. Insanul Ahmed: Trash. Trash Rob Markman: Okay. I don't think…I disagree. Insanul Ahmed: Look, I want to see this ranking. Rob Markman: I think it's not bad. It's just hard for you to say that Kanye has
a trash album with the level of artistry. Insanul Ahmed: There's no level of artistry
of I just picked my album cover on the way over to my listening session. Mikey Fresh: Only comparing his albums, not
the rest of the, not the standard of rap. Kanye's standards are high. Rob Markman: You give Ye to anybody and that's
a damn good album for a lesser artist. Insanul Ahmed: No, no it's still not that
good. Mikey Fresh: You ask kids under 25 today,
they are probably gonna kill us and say it's the best album cause of that one Cudi song,
but Insanul Ahmed: They haven't heard enough Kanye
songs Rob Markman: Let's check this out then. We have Dark Twisted Fantasy is Fire. Very Good is the first three albums, College
Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation. Good is 808s and Yeezus. Mikey Fresh: They belong way higher. Rob Markman: Not bad is Life of Pablo. And Trash is Ye. Brandon Jenkins: So, I'll push a Very Good
up and move Yeezus up. Insanul Ahmed: So you want to swap Yeezus
and College Drop Out? Brandon Jenkins: No, not swap em. I'm sayin like we can push a Very Good towards
Fire. Like we can push one of those towards Fire. Insanul Ahmed: Graduation should be Fire. Rob Markman: Graduation is Fire to me. Brandon Jenkins: Yeezus is better than 808. Insanul Ahmed: Hold up, why is Graduation
not Fire. Rob Markman: No it’s not. Hold on. Yeezus is better than 808? Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, it might be. Rob Markman: No, no way. Insanul Ahmed: To me, they’re very similar. Rob Markman: I think the song writing on 808,
when we talk about the completeness of a thought. The unfinishedness of what you said was Yeezus. Like 808 was that he went for something, and
he accomplished what he was going for. Mikey Fresh: But Yeezus was better because
it was an original idea. 808 was, he said before was his version of
T-Pain's debut album. Rob Markman: Yeah, but what it does Brandon Jenkins: And there's a lot of Cudi
lifting on that album. I mean, you’re right. You’re right. All these albums there’s a lot of other
lifting Rob Markman: Listen, College Dropout is Mos
and Kweli Brandon Jenkins: And Rhyme. Rob Markman: Late Registration is Consequence. Graduation is Consequence and I feel like
that's when Big Sean started comin around. 808s is Cudi. You can always tell who he be around. Insanul Ahmed: Yeezus is Travis. Rob Markman: Yeezus is Travis. Mikey Fresh: No, Yeezus is the real Kanye. Rob Markman: Pablo was Chance, was around
a lot. Like you could kinda tell who was around. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was everybody. Pusha T was Ross, Rob Markman: Q-Tip was around at that time. Brandon Jenkins: When we look at Kanye's albums
or even rap albums, specifically. Let's say music albums at large. When you guys think about albums, is how,
what's the word, how focused they are a big factor? Insanul Ahmed: Yes Brandon Jenkins: Cause I feel like that's
how were kinda ranking some of these. How focused they are. Insanul Ahmed: That's one of the things that
hallmark. Brandon Jenkins: Like College Dropout's extremely
focused. Like that's why it's up there. Mikey Fresh: I think about the impact too. College Dropout, the impact of that thing,
c'mon. Brandon Jenkins: Honestly, a lot of these
other albums are suffering because Kanye's impact is so hard to measure. Insanul Ahmed: That's what I was gonna say
too. Brandon Jenkins: And the “not bad” and
“Trash” is suffering because Insanul Ahmed: That's why impact is hard to
do Rob Markman: But we know Kanye's impact. So I think College Dropout, Late Registration,
was impactful. What he was doin with the soul samples at
the time. Though RZA had done it, generations prior
to him shifted the fact Kweli and Jay can get on a song together. The fact that Kanye was producing for Dilated
Peoples. Brandon Jenkins: And this is post 50 Cent Rob Markman: And Beanie Sigel, you know what
I'm sayin? He was really bridgin the gap. College Drop Out was super influential in
changed the game. Brandon Jenkins: Wish he had the Sigel version. Rob Markman: Whatcha call it, did it to. I think 808's did, even though again 808's
derivative from you know you have T-Pain and we give T-Pain all of his credit and all of
his flowers. Then you get a 808 and you know Cudi is at
the base of that right, but then you really after 808 get to see the emergence of Cudi. I don't think Drake, I don't think, So Far
Gone sounds quite the same if it wasn't for 808's Heartbreak. Brandon Jenkins: Oh, 100 percent. Rob Markman: Drake is a game changer, like Brandon Jenkins: 100 percent Insanul Ahmed: But the issue I have with that
is that when your an artist in the first ten years of your career, it's easy to change
the game because A. When …it's not easy….let me rephrase that. Brandon Jenkins: I'm tryin to be an artist Insanul Ahmed: I'm sorry, my bad. What I meant is.. Rob Markman: It's too late at the wake! Streaming now. I’m trying. Insanul Ahmed: What I'm sayin is it's more,
like when your tryin to come in the game, you have to do something different to get
noticed. That's how he gets noticed as a producer. Brandon Jenkins: And you yourself are different
from what’s out there. Insanul Ahmed: And your different, yeah. That's why you want to be an artist in the
first place, right? So that when you become popular, people are
gonna follow the trend you send cause you just made a new blueprint right? It's like you produced The Blueprint. Now I'm gonna do this thing. You do that for a few albums. When your ten years into your career, you’re
the establishment. And Ye's is kinda the beginning of that, cause
again, he had been about ten, 12 years into his career at that point. He is the establishment. Now you have to rebel against that style. Brandon Jenkins: I actually thought he was
always, and I was actually excited for this to be a future trend and it turned out not
to be. I thought he was gonna keep responding to
his prior work and always comment. Like, I'll Give you What You What and I'll
Give You What You Need. That felt like the response to I know you
wanted My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. I ain't there yet. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was a response
to 808 when he was like yo, I had to go do this. This is how I felt. Brandon Jenkins: I had to get this out of
my system or I would've never come back. My heart was breaking. Brandon Jenkins: Then, My Beautiful Dark Twisted
Fantasy was like, oh you guys said it was gone, what if I made a perfect album? And it was like, and then he did it. That's why that's Fire. Rob Markman: Okay listen, were gonna have
to wrap soon. I feel like I wanna put the first three up
in the Fire category. But, I'll take Jinxes offer and put one up
there. Insanul Ahmed: Take Graduation. Why is Graduation not on Fire? No one can explain to me why it's not there. Rob Markman: You like Drunk and Hot Girls. Graduation has to be Fire. Insanul Ahmed: Yeah, what is wrong with Graduation? Brandon Jenkins: You like Barry Bonds? I love it. Love it. Insanul Ahmed: I’m kind of aight on it. Rob Markman: Why are we debating? Insanul Ahmed: Yeah what is the debate here? Rob Markman: Graduation is Fire. Mikey Fresh: So that put Yeezus up there too? Rob Markman: Fire? Insanul Ahmed: No, I'm not going Fire. Rob Markman: I’m not moving Yeezus two slots. Brandon Jenkins: I want it to be Fire so leave
it to Very Good please. Mikey Fresh: Please. Can we settle? Rob Markman: This hurts. Yeezus on the same level as College Drop Out? I blame Complex! Brandon Jenkins: Impact. Do somethin different! Mikey Fresh: This is democracy. This is Obama era. Rob Markman: Shout to Damien Scott. Brandon Jenkins: That's Insanul’s era. Insanul Ahmed: This is totally my fault. Shout out to Foster man. Foster got me good. Rob Markman: I'm a man of the people, though
this is my show. I could pull executive rank and move Yeezus
all the way down. I respect… Insanul Ahmed: Would you put it in trash? Rob Markman: I respect. I would put it Not Bad. I respect all of you guys' opinion. Were gonna leave it here for now. Were gonna debate it in the comments. Insanul Ahmed: I look forward to these comments. Rob Markman: I do want to say I'm being very
democratic. But this is Complex's fault. Mikey Fresh: I need to say for the record
from that it was projected on the screens. I ran home specifically to try to beat you
and Lauren at Complex and try to beat you at MTV. Insanul Ahmed: Oh, we didn't run home. Mikey Fresh: I wanted that. Insanul Ahmed: Lauren was at the studio and
I was.. Mikey Fresh: I know, I figured out they were
sending content now but I was a one man show. Rob Markman: It was my wife's birthday and
I was like we was at dinner. I was like, "Yo, I gotta go.” Mikey Fresh: And, you guys beat me. I was very upset. Brandon Jenkins: I remember at my blog operation
and being like none of us were there. I live in Jersey. I need some more money. Rob Markman: Yeah, yeah. Insanul Ahmed: I do look forward to the comments
to this, cause this is one of my favorite things about Yeezus, it's call the divisive
album even though apparently everybody loves it. The number one comment is gonna be Yeezus
is so underrated. Like, it's gonna get 10000 likes. Brandon Jenkins: Vote it up. Rob Markman: That's Noah Callahan- Bever in
the famous words of Pusha T, " He deserves all the curses." Leave Ye out the verses give Noah all the
curses. This is For the Record. When gonna see you next week, peace.

Author Since: Mar 11, 2019

  1. This heart my heart, I was yelling at the screen. yeezus was Not bad at best, people over look the master craftsmanship of the first 3 albums and MBDTF and undermine the game change of 808s and call Yeezus fire. Its essentially what separates people with the real taste for what's great and people who champion trash. The host is an artist and you can tell, he had the best perspective of them all. The guy far right was solid, Jinx is great but way tf off on here as well as the guy left of him.

  2. The current punk type of sound that is happening in Hip-Hop today is largely because of Yeezus. Ye is always ahead of the curve

  3. Yeah and Kanye’s First 3 are Fire . Yeezus is Fire and Underrated.. MBDTF of course is Fire! Why is this a discussion

  4. The problem is the fact these guys (and the commenters), don't seem to understand that Kanye w/ Yeezus was far from the first to do this industrial hip hop sound. Yeezus WASN'T groundbreaking/revolutionary, that's just a fact. I still like the album, but come on guys.

  5. Late registration is my personal favorite Kanye album. Life of Pablo is very under appreciated. I was mad at that album when it came out. I had to listen to it so many times to really appreciate it. He’s not rapping great on it but the music itself is very very good.

  6. Y'all really tried it the ye album was really good it wasn't a trash album an how they gonna not say graduation wasn't fire in my opinion graduation album is the epitome of Kanye and dark twisted Fantasy album is fire and 808 and heart break should have been in the fire category that album was a game changer and the art and details that Kanye displayed during that time period was amazing

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